He likes using big words "torrential" online abuseđ ,welcome to X Lloyd get ready for more exposure and embrace the worm welcome from all the exjw community that you abused, gaslit and milked for money for years.His come back will be shortlived. Like Samson of old who had his hair cut (looks like he also had a hair style change) your comeback will be shortlived. You ruined your brand forever, there is no reset button online...
raymond frantz
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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NEW LIGHT ON THE 144,000 EXPLAINED
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/heulwyd00ku?si=9az0zrsquy67v74g.
the watchtowerâs approach to "new light" is, frankly, a masterclass in manipulation.
when they introduce a new interpretation or change their teachings, it's presented as a revelation, showcasing just how guided and spiritually in-tune the governing body is.
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raymond frantz
TonusOH
I love your explanation, the thing is most Witnesses reading the Bible they are destined to arrive to the inevitable conclusion that partaking from the bread and the wine is a command you can not ignore, it was obvious to me too as I was waking up
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LEAKED ANNUAL MEETING VIDEO :EXPECT SUDDEN CHANGES: JEFFREY JACKSON
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.
well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.
attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with
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raymond frantz
@BluesBrother, you're welcome!
There is a disgruntled exjw elder that is down voting us whatever we say, watch out for the negative feedbackđ
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NEW LIGHT ON THE 144,000 EXPLAINED
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/heulwyd00ku?si=9az0zrsquy67v74g.
the watchtowerâs approach to "new light" is, frankly, a masterclass in manipulation.
when they introduce a new interpretation or change their teachings, it's presented as a revelation, showcasing just how guided and spiritually in-tune the governing body is.
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raymond frantz
https://youtu.be/heUlwYd00kU?si=9AZ0zrsquY67v74G
The Watchtowerâs approach to "new light" is, frankly, a masterclass in manipulation. When they introduce a new interpretation or change their teachings, it's presented as a revelation, showcasing just how guided and spiritually in-tune the Governing Body is. But when one of their long-standing interpretations proves wrong or doesnât hold up, the blame shifts. Suddenly, itâs not about them; itâs about the members who misunderstood. They masterfully turn the tables and make it seem like the fault lies with those who took their teachings at face valueâa textbook example of gaslighting.
Letâs break this down. For years, Jehovahâs Witnesses were told that the number of anointed onesâthe 144,000 who partake of the emblemsâwould steadily decline. This was supposedly a key indicator that the end was near. The idea was that there would eventually be just a few elderly members left as proof that Armageddon was right around the corner. The expectation was crystal clear: keep an eye on the number of partakers, and when it shrinks to a handful of old men in wheelchairs, the end is just a breath away.
But then something unexpected happened. Instead of the numbers going down, they started to go up. More people started partaking, andâwait for itâyounger people were showing up among the partakers. That doesnât fit with the long-touted narrative, does it? Instead of seeing the numbers dwindle, it seemed like there was suddenly an influx of new anointed ones. So, what does the Governing Body do when the reality contradicts their teachings? Do they admit they got it wrong? Of course not. Instead, they say, âOh, did we say that the numbers would dwindle? Well, thatâs not really the point.â They brush it off, making it seem like it was never the real issue and that the members simply misunderstood.
To add to the fun, they even encourage the members to Google the ages of the newest Governing Body members. âGo ahead, look it up!â they say. And when you do, what do you find? Surpriseâthe new members are way too young to fit the previous narrative. But the Governing Body isnât fazed. They claim that the Bible never said anything about the number of anointed ones dwindling down to just a few elderly people. No, what really matters, apparently, is that the Governing Body stays "active and vibrant" until the end. How convenient! By shifting the focus from the numbers to the vitality and activity of the Governing Body, they create a perfect excuse for appointing younger members.
Itâs a genius move, really. The Governing Body gets to appoint younger members and keep the leadership looking fresh and energetic. Meanwhile, they act as if this was the plan all along and that anyone who thought the numbers mattered simply misunderstood. Itâs a win-win for them: they get to rewrite history and blame the members for believing what they were told to believe.
This pattern isnât new. The Governing Bodyâs strategy has always been to paint themselves as the enlightened channel of divine truth. When things go according to plan (or when they can make it look that way), they take full credit. They present their "new light" as evidence of how connected they are with Godâs purpose. But when things donât work out, they shift the narrative to make it seem like the members are the ones who misunderstood. "You thought the number of anointed ones was important? Oh no, that was never the point." And just like that, itâs your fault for focusing on the wrong thing, even though thatâs exactly what they told you to focus on.
By saying that Jehovah ensures the Governing Body remains "active and vibrant" until the end, they create a loophole for themselves. Itâs no longer about the numbers; itâs about the organizationâs ongoing activity and leadership. They can keep things going indefinitely this way, without ever having to confront the contradiction that the numbers of partakers donât add up to their previous teachings. And they can continue to blame the members for any confusion or misunderstanding, washing their hands of responsibility.
Hereâs another twist: the Governing Bodyâs new narrative also subtly undermines the membersâ ability to critically evaluate what theyâve been taught. Encouraging members to Google the ages of the new Governing Body members seems like theyâre being transparent, but itâs just another way to control the narrative. When members find out that these new appointees are far younger than expected, theyâre nudged into accepting the new explanation: itâs not about age or dwindling numbers; itâs about the work continuing. This keeps members in a state of compliance, accepting whatever new twist the Governing Body decides to introduce.
But letâs be real: this approach is all about rewriting the rules as they go. Theyâve positioned themselves in such a way that they can never be wrong. If the numbers donât match their previous teachings, itâs because the members misunderstood, not because the Governing Body made a mistake. And when they appoint younger members, theyâve already set the stage to justify it. Itâs a brilliant way to maintain control and avoid accountability.
So, what about this so-called 144,000? The Watchtower has long emphasized this number as literal and fixed, creating a sense of urgency for members. But hereâs the thing: according to the Bible, this group doesnât even show up until the last 3 Âœ years of human history, during the Great Tribulation. Revelation 7 and 14 describe the 144,000 as being chosen during that timeânot decades or even centuries earlier. So, technically, none of the 144,000 have even been selected yet. The Watchtowerâs focus on this number over the years has been a distraction, keeping members in suspense and using the figure as a signpost for the end. But scripturally, it doesnât line up.
This means all the emphasis on the number of partakers dwindling over the years, the cut-off dates like 1935, and the idea that seeing fewer anointed ones was a sign of the endânone of that ever had a biblical basis in the first place. It was just another way to maintain control and keep members invested in a narrative that suited the organizationâs agenda. The truth is, if weâre following what Revelation actually says, the 144,000 havenât even been chosen yet, and they wonât be until the final stretch of human history.
In the end, itâs clear: when things go right for the Governing Body, itâs all about their insight and leadership. When things go wrong, they shift the blame, making it seem like it was the members who misunderstood. Theyâve crafted a system where they can never be wrong, and any attempt to challenge them is met with a change in narrative that keeps them in control. Itâs a classic case of gaslighting, and itâs designed to keep the members off balance and loyal, no matter how often the "light" changes.
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LEAKED ANNUAL MEETING VIDEO :EXPECT SUDDEN CHANGES: JEFFREY JACKSON
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.
well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.
attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with
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raymond frantz
There will be 3 shorter videos on these changes starting tonight
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LEAKED ANNUAL MEETING VIDEO :EXPECT SUDDEN CHANGES: JEFFREY JACKSON
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.
well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.
attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with
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raymond frantz
https://youtu.be/UXqQyrRFFOw?si=wO0jotyVJg76OLjK
Well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother Jeffrey Jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother Jeff you have our
attention well I'm sure we all agree
with this fact in recent years there
have been a lot of
changes even since the last annual
meeting there have been many changes
some of them perhaps are a little
surprising or may seem to be sudden but
you know brothers and sisters when we
look back on how these changes have come
we can see that Jehovah has gradually
prepared us for each of these
adjustments and changes let's review
some of the recent changes we've
had what changes have we seen with
regard to our understand understanding
of Bible teachings at the 2021 annual
meeting we received an adjusted
understanding of John 529 it was
explained that the resurrection of
judgment will not be a judgment of
condemnation rather it will be more like
a period of
probation the unrighteous mentioned at
acts
24:15 will have an opportunity to gain
everlasting life but their names will
not be written WR in The Book of Life at
the time of their
Resurrection to have their names
eventually written in that book these
ones will need to respond positively to
the great educational work that will
take place during the Thousand-Year
Reign then at the annual meeting in
2023 we gained enhanced insight into
what we do know and what we don't know
concerning Jehovah's
judgments we learned that the door of
opportunity for people to take a stand
for the kingdom does not shut when the
Great Tribulation starts with the
destruction of false religion at that
time perhaps some will be like the
Egyptians in Moses day who took a last
minute stand and joined the Exodus of
God's
people at the same annual meeting we
adjusted our views with regard to
Jehovah's judgments of those who died in
the flood and those who were destroyed
in Sodom and Gomorrah
also at that annual meeting an
adjustment was made regarding the
reporting of our time and activity in
our preaching work instead of focusing
on reports we try to make good use of
every opportunity to
witness then we receive the 2024
governing body update number
two in that update we saw the need to
adjust how we interact with those who
have committed serious sins and have
been removed from the congregation
what other major adjustments have we
recently seen in our preaching work the
emphasis now is on studing Bible studies
and making disciples not on Distributing
literature to that end the focus is on
studying meaningful
conversations not just on using
memorized
presentations were you surprised by
these adjustments perhaps so but as we
look back we see how one adjustment in
understanding gradually helped us with
the next
adjustment isn't it true that gradually
Jehovah has prepared us and when we look
back on it we see how logical this
training has been to refine our
understanding but events in the world
likewise have
changed it's true sometimes in the world
you have sudden changes for example the
pandemic
but often times change in the world is
gradual isn't it true with regard to the
view of morality homosexuality
abortion even what's acceptable and not
acceptable with regard to conduct all of
that has happened gradually in the world
and it's not until you look back and see
how different the world is today with
regard to those matters that we see that
there have been a lot of
changes but this can be dangerous
because as things gradually change we
may get used to gradual change and
forget that there are some sudden
changes about to
occur uh let's take our Bibles please
and if you turn with me to the Book of
Luke chap
21 now this is an example of Sudden
Change in Luke chap 21 uh notice there
in verse 34 the words of our Lord Jesus
are recorded and he said in verse 34 but
pay attention to yourselves that your
hearts never become weighed down with
oving and heavy drinking and anxieties
of life and
suddenly
suddenly that they be
instantly
instantly upon
you it's interesting to note that Jesus
had already said that this day he was
referring to would occur at a time that
we don't think is
likely so what lesson do we learn from
what Jesus said it's a warning isn't it
that we can't just sit back and think
well things are gradually going to
develop we know which way it's going and
maybe it's not going to happen yet you
know got a little bit more wiggle room
there with regard to the
schedule but you see that's dangerous
thinking now what we're going to do is
consider two examples of areas where
perhaps we could be a little guilty with
regard to
that for example our view as with regard
to the number of anointed ones remaining
on the earth now for many years what did
we think
we thought well that number would go
down and down and down and down now I
don't know about you but me I you when
that report came out just how many how
many
partakers and and what were we thinking
we
probably you maybe we didn't say it but
we were thinking you know the number
will go down down down down and there'll
be just a couple of old guys in a
wheelchair who will get their reward
well I'm exaggerating but that was sort
of the feeling wasn't it but now what
have we seen in recent
years those numbers have gone up and
up and not only that younger brothers
have been appointed on the governing
body now I know what you're all thinking
two new ones how old are
they we know you're not googling now
but you will
be but you see we need to be careful
about what we're thinking with regard to
the number of anointed ones left on
Earth you see 19 years ago I was
appointed on the governing body even I
thought I was too
young now they tell me I'm not so young
anymore but do we see the point what
does the bible actually tell us with
regard to this well it doesn't say the
number would just dwindle down to just
having a few uh older ones left no the
great crowd of other sheep will be
judged on the basis of how they deal
with Christ's brothers so that means the
faithful and discreet slave as well as
all the anointed throughout the Earth
will continue to be active in doing the
work and wanting and needing your
support right up until the time that
suddenly they will be
reassigned and and isn't that what
Matthew
24:31 says there will be a gathering the
final Gathering of the anointed from all
different parts of the earth so for us
to think well you know there's some new
ones on the governing body they don't
look too old um maybe we've got a little
bit of extra time no Jehovah is making
sure that that the faithful and discreet
slave is continuing to work and is
effective right up in that until that
time of
reassignment so that's one subject the
second subject we'd like to talk about
is our view with regard to the start of
the Great Tribulation with the
destruction of Babylon the
great when we look through the
scriptures in Revelation chapter 16 what
does it tell us that the waters would
gradually dry up
yes churches are losing support in some
countries for example Europe it wasn't
that long ago that most nations in
Europe were very
religious but now people are turning
their backs on
religion but at the same time when we
look at Africa and South America we see
that religion still has a strong
influence so now what could be that
little voice in now mind saying well
yeah we see it's it's going in the right
direction but maybe not just yet we've
got a little bit more time
left but again we need to remember what
the scriptures tell us and if you turn
with me this time please to Revelation
chap
17 this is one of the chapters that
describes the destruction of false
religion or in other words when the
Great Tribulation starts
so let's read Revelation 17 and verse 17
and note please what it tells
us for God put it into their hearts to
carry out his thought yes to carry out
their one thought by giving that Kingdom
to the wild beast until the words of God
will have been
accomplished now what is this one
thought well up to now we've said the
one thought is their desire to turn on
false
religion and we can understand that
because the context is talking about the
destruction of false religion but you
see if you look back at that
verse what is the one thought now this
means we have to adjust our
understanding another
change what does it say the one thought
refers to the Nations being willing to
hand over power their political power to
the Scarlet colored wild beast the
United Nations let me repeat it cuz
you're in shock now and you need to
write this down okay the one thought
refers to the Nations being willing to
hand over power to the United
Nations now why is that
exciting well the fact that Nations will
eventually turn on religion really isn't
that surprising is it we gradually we've
seen that happening we ah yes yeah we
see which way it's
going but what about Nations empowering
the United Nations handing over their
personal political power so the United
Nations has more power it has teeth as
it were at the moment it's like a
teethless toothless uh organization
isn't
it that seems unbelievable no Nation
does
that but what is it that happens it is
an act of god Jehovah puts that one
thought into the minds of the
Nations yes they will empower the United
Nations so that the United Nations will
be in a position to take action against
false religion now this adjustment and
understanding also means that we have to
adjust our understanding of verses 12
and 13 so if you're in Revelation 1
please let's look at verses 12 and
13 the 10 horns that you saw mean 10
Kings who have not yet receive the
kingdom but they do
receive Authority as kings for one hour
with the wild beast these have one
thought so they give their power and
authority to the wild
beast so up to now we've assumed these
10 Kings which represent all the
political powers and governments in the
world at the moment uh that they did
this during the last days by supporting
first of all the League of Nations and
then the United Nations but now what do
we understand this to be seeing we
understand verse
17 well there will come a time when all
political powers on Earth which includes
many who have never been part of the
seven world
powers they will see that they need to
collectively pull their power by giving
it to the United Nations to try and
solve some of the problems in the world
and they will rule notice what does it
say for 1 hour just a short period of
time so this newly empowered United
Nations from that time on will rule
collectively for a short time but it
will enable them to destroy false
religion and fight against Jesus and
Jehovah's people now isn't that
[Music]
[Applause]
exciting but now we're back to our
subject again you you see gradually
things happen so we might say well yes
gradually I see Babylon the Great's
losing influence in some places maybe
not
yet but don't expect that you'll see
governments gradually wanting to give
over power they don't want to do that it
takes an act of
god Jehovah will put it into their
hearts this will occur with
suddenness yes then the Great
Tribulation will start a sudden change
not something that happens gradually so
what have we learned in our discussion
well yes some things change gradually
but brothers and sisters remember there
are some sudden things that are about to
occur let's remember the two things as a
as a reminder first of all the remaining
anointed Ones Will suddenly be taken to
Heaven while they are still very
active the second one Jehovah will
suddenly move the Nations to give their
political power to the United
Nations so what's the
takeaway don't be complacent don't think
oh this is going to gradually change no
some things won't gradually change they
will occur suddenly as acts of God so be
ready and don't don't be surprised by
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THE PROBLEM WITH THESE 2 NEW GB MEMBERS APPOINTMENTS
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/rjr0ugtu6zu?si=d3zsz20ee33gytxi.
these new appointments are troubling, to say the least, especially considering the factors surrounding their selection.
these appointments raise key concerns about leadership, experience, and what is happening behind the scenes at the organization's headquarters.
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LongHairGal
Correct in 10 years from now they will be trying to convince us that 20 year old gb members are off the 144,000, what a scam
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THE PROBLEM WITH THESE 2 NEW GB MEMBERS APPOINTMENTS
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/rjr0ugtu6zu?si=d3zsz20ee33gytxi.
these new appointments are troubling, to say the least, especially considering the factors surrounding their selection.
these appointments raise key concerns about leadership, experience, and what is happening behind the scenes at the organization's headquarters.
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raymond frantz
https://youtu.be/RJR0UGtu6zU?si=D3ZsZ20EE33gYTxi
These new appointments are troubling, to say the least, especially considering the factors surrounding their selection. These appointments raise key concerns about leadership, experience, and what is happening behind the scenes at the organization's headquarters.
First of all, they are too young to be part of the 144,000.
The Governing Body of Jehovahâs Witnesses is made up of individuals considered to be part of the 144,000 "anointed" Christians, a group traditionally believed to include older, spiritually mature men with decades of service. However, Jedele and Rumph, who are both younger, challenge this long-held view. This raises the question: Are they really the best candidates for the Governing Body, given their age? Traditionally, the anointed were seen as individuals with ye.ars of spiritual experience and wisdom. If this qualification is being overlooked, it leads me to wonder whether the historical importance of being "anointed" is being redefined, and what that means for the future of the organization. While they are not dropping the 144,000 teaching yet, they are definitely watering it down, and I'll make a video on that soon.
Secondly, these appointments bypass long-serving Governing Body helpers.
One of the most surprising aspects of these appointments is that both brothers leapfrogged over several Governing Body helpers who have served for decades in their positions. Many of these long-serving helpers, with their vast experience and seniority, would have seemed the more likely option for the role. Yet, they were passed over in favor of much younger men. This decision raises serious concerns about the selection process and shows that there is no legitimate process. It's all about who you know, not how good you are at your job, which is what we have come to know at the local level in our respective congregations. This is why Jehovahâs Witnesses is a silly religion based on nepotism, where whoever is the greatest bully at the top appoints his mates to key positions of authority. Why were experienced brothers bypassed? Is there a shift happening within the leadership structure, where seniority and experience no longer hold the same value? This disregard for experience and dedication indicates, I believe, a power struggle within the organization, where a younger group of men is being strategically positioned to take over from the older, more established members. This shift indicates that a whole generation of experienced brothers, who have long been loyal to the organization, are being sidelined in favor of a younger, less accomplished group. This internal dynamic points to deeper tensions or changes in how power and influence are being handled at the top.
Thirdly, there is definitely a replacement taking place of aging members like Gerrit Lösch, Stephen Lett, or David Splane, who was conspicuously missing from the program unless I missed him. Stephen Lett looks like he is going to drop dead any minute now. While it's normal for organizations to refresh their leadership, the gap in experience between the older members and their younger successors is vast. Lösch and Lett have been prominent figures for decades, playing crucial roles in shaping the doctrine and direction of Jehovahâs Witnesses. The decision to replace them with younger, less experienced individuals calls into question whether the leadership will continue to carry the same level of wisdom and understanding, which is already quite low as they have proven.
The fourth and final observation is the lack of major achievements or qualifications.
Perhaps one of the most puzzling aspects of these appointments is that neither Jedele nor Rumph seem to have the kind of significant achievements or qualifications that have typically marked previous Governing Body members. While they have served as helpers to the Service Committee, their roles appear relatively minor, with Rumph only starting his Bethel service as recently as 2020. This contrasts sharply with past appointees, who often had decades of proven leadership and tangible accomplishments. In most organizations, top leadership positions are awarded to those who have demonstrated a long track record of success and contribution, making these appointments seem even more unusual.
Moreover, there is an increasing disregard for the fact that this is a worldwide organization. It is concerning that the past four appointments have all been white and USA-based, overlooking the global nature of the Jehovahâs Witnesses. If the organization truly represents a worldwide community, new appointments should reflect this diversity. Would it not make sense to have an African, Asian,European or South American appointment? This lack of geographical and cultural representation raises further questions about the inclusivity and global outlook of the organization's leadership and more evidence that this is an American religion or more accurately a United States religion.
In conclusion, the appointment of these two Governing Body members has not only raised eyebrows but also highlighted what may be a power shift at the heart of Jehovahâs Witnessesâ headquarters. By bypassing more experienced and senior helpers, it appears that a younger generation of leaders is being positioned to take control, possibly indicating a struggle for influence within the leadership. At the same time, the lack of significant achievements or qualifications in these younger appointees raises questions about the future direction of the Governing Body. Are they truly ready to lead, or is this part of a larger internal strategy that values youth over experience? These are pressing concerns as the organization moves forward under new leadership. -
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Yes he said they are both anointed
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WATCHTOWER WINS IN FRANCE AGAINST đ«đ· MIVILUDES
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/lkflr6sgyfm?si=j4gopnyfpy3wxnxs.
in what can only be described as a win for truth, justice, and religious freedom (depending on who you ask ofcourse), the paris administrative court has come to the defense of jehovahâs witnesses.
on june 14, 2024, the court ruled that miviludes, franceâs government agency for monitoring cult-like behavior, had committed the heinous crime of defamation against jehovahâs witnesses.france unlike most other countries has an agency that monitors destructive cults and gets who is in their list: jehovahâs witnesses, i wonder why that is.
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https://youtu.be/LkFLR6SgyfM?si=j4GoPNYFPY3wxNXs
In what can only be described as a win for truth, justice, and religious freedom (depending on who you ask ofcourse), the Paris Administrative Court has come to the defense of Jehovahâs Witnesses. On June 14, 2024, the court ruled that MIVILUDES, Franceâs government agency for monitoring cult-like behavior, had committed the heinous crime of defamation against Jehovahâs Witnesses.France unlike most other countries has an agency that monitors destructive cults and gets who is in their list: Jehovahâs Witnesses, I wonder why that is. So,how dare they accuse such a squeaky-clean group organisation! After all, itâs not like anyone has ever raised concerns about their handling of child abuse or their approach to education, right?
MIVILUDES, in its misguided attempt to protect society, dared to publish reports between 2018 and 2020 that suggested Jehovahâs Witnesses might discourage child abuse reporting to secular authorities. They even had the audacity to claim that the group didnât exactly encourage its younger members to pursue higher education. Clearly, MIVILUDES forgot who they were dealing with: an organization that insists they are always right, regardless of what the rest of the world might think.
Naturally, Jehovahâs Witnesses were outraged at the mere suggestion that they might be anything less than paragons of virtue. So, they did what any wrongfully accused group would do â they sued for defamation. Because nothing says âweâre innocentâ like dragging people to court.
In a stunning twist of logic, the Paris Administrative Court agreed with Jehovahâs Witnesses, declaring that MIVILUDESâ claims were defamatory. According to the court, the agency relied on flimsy evidence, like reports from the Australian Royal Commission and cases in the U.S. Apparently, the fact that these issues were highlighted on other continents was irrelevant because, as we all know, child abuse and educational manipulation never cross borders.
Jehovahâs Witnesses, of course, had their own pristine documents ready to prove they were law-abiding citizens. The court was impressed by their 2008 letter to the French Minister of Justice, where they so kindly reminded their members to report abuse in accordance with French law. So, that settles it. If they said they follow the law in a letter, it must be true. Case closed.
MIVILUDES, clearly overstepping its bounds, claimed that Jehovahâs Witnesses encouraged members to handle serious offenses like child abuse internally. But according to the court, MIVILUDES failed to present enough âcredibleâ evidence to support these claims in France. Apparently, three testimonies and a press article werenât enough to prove that such a revered group would ever turn a blind eye to abuse. The fact that similar concerns have popped up in other countries is completely irrelevant.
MIVILUDES also had the nerve to accuse Jehovahâs Witnesses of discouraging their young followers from pursuing long-term studies. The court, however, quickly dismissed this as outdated nonsense, citing that MIVILUDESâ evidence was based on publications from 1975 and beyond. Why should we pay attention to decades of past teachings when we can just pretend they never existed?
Clearly, the court was not interested in holding Jehovahâs Witnesses accountable for anything that didnât happen in the immediate past. After all, if no one has said anything recently about kids not going to college, itâs obviously not a problem.
The Paris court was quick to remind MIVILUDES that, as a governmental body, it must adhere to âbalance, impartiality, and neutralityâ â something it apparently failed at spectacularly. In what seems like an enormous leap of faith, the court ruled that MIVILUDES had spread âerroneousâ and âmisleadingâ information about Jehovahâs Witnesses. As a result, the agency was ordered to delete the defamatory statements within 15 days. Thatâll teach them for trying to protect vulnerable people!
This legal triumph for Jehovahâs Witnesses will surely be celebrated as yet another example of Jehovahâs protection. How dare anyone suggest that their internal handling of abuse cases or their historical stance on education could be questionable? MIVILUDES, on the other hand, has been left with a harsh reminder that protecting people from potential harm must be done with airtight evidence â none of that âglobal pattern of behaviorâ nonsense, thank you very much.
In the end, the ruling simply reaffirms that if you want to accuse a high-control religious group of wrongdoing, youâd better come prepared with something more solid than international reports and outdated concerns. Otherwise, you might just find yourself on the losing end of a defamation case. Because, of course, Jehovahâs Witnesses have never done anything wrong â at least not in the past few years in France.